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title: "No title no good?"
date: 2006-08-16T01:50:55-04:00
url: https://blog.lmorchard.com/2006/08/16/no-title-no-good/
author: Les Orchard
tags: [asides, metablogging]
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# No title no good?

As [noted by Jason Clark](http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/08/15/966#comment-32785), it seems that Bloglines has an issue with titleless posts.  But, posts shouldn't need titles - what do other blogs do with asides?  How does Bloglines handle a blog like <a href="http://scripting.com">Dave Winer's</a>?

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                <a href="#comment-221087092" class="permalink"><time datetime="2006-08-16T07:26:20">2006-08-16T07:26:20</time></a>
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            <div class="content"><p>Bloglines puts a "permalink" link at the bottom of posts without titles.  It's less noticeable, but it works.  I suspect there's some subtle difference in the permalink and the title link; the title link doesn't always go to the actual original blog post.  I think the permalink shows up only if there isn't a title pointing to the original post.</p></div>
            
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                <a href="#comment-221087093" class="permalink"><time datetime="2006-08-16T09:31:50">2006-08-16T09:31:50</time></a>
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            <div class="content"><p>I think titles are <em>helpful</em> for old eyes like mine, unles all the posts are tiny short things.</p>

<p>I like your blog &amp; good luck with delicious &amp; CA!</p></div>
            
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                <a href="#comment-221087094" class="permalink"><time datetime="2006-08-16T13:36:32">2006-08-16T13:36:32</time></a>
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            <div class="content"><p>not only bloglines has a problem with them. newsalloy.com too. But it seems that wordpress doesn't like titleless posts either, because your blog's pager at the top of the page (for going to the next/previous post) doesn't display properly if the next/previous post has no title :(</p></div>
            
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                <a href="#comment-221087095" class="permalink"><time datetime="2006-08-16T13:54:30">2006-08-16T13:54:30</time></a>
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            <div class="content"><p>Thanks Ian, I didn't notice the 'permalink' link on Bloglines.  Something similar might be nice here, Les, as your titleless posts don't have a visible (clickable) permalink.  The comments link provides a way to get the permalink, but it's not exactly the same.  </p>

<p>Having the permalink in Bloglines makes the title less important- all the posts appear in order, so the title only helps with skimming.  As these are 'asides', I skimming the body is just as quick.  I am curious about other aggregators.  It's been ages since I've used a desktop three-paned aggreagtor, such as NNW; I'd guess it's like having an email in your inbox with no subject.</p></div>
            
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            <div class="content"><p>Asides are something I've been trying to sort out for awhile.  They're meant to be quick cast offs, maybe a paragraph at most, and certainly not ponderous enough to need titles.  The idea is to be more like instant messages to the blog and its readers, rather than emails.</p></div>
            
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            <div class="content"><p>I'm reading your blog with BlogLines, and I can click the "Permalink" link on your titleless posts to load the blog entry.</p></div>
            
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                <a href="#comment-221087099" class="permalink"><time datetime="2006-08-16T16:41:33">2006-08-16T16:41:33</time></a>
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            <div class="content"><p>NewsGator Online will excerpt the post for a title - for example, 2 posts ago showed up with the title as "Huh. Generally, I scoff at the idea of hand-holding...".  FeedDemon does the same.  Some readers fall back on the pubDate if there's no title, can't think of a specific example but I know I've seen that.</p></div>
            
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