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  "title": "Why is my Monaco Borken?",
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  "html": "<p>Okay, what's wrong with this picture?</p>\n<div align=\"center\"><img src=\"http://www.decafbad.com/blog-images/font-issues.gif\" width=\"\" height=\"\"></div>\n\n\n\n\n\n<p>Each of those lines is from a terminal I have open, trying to find\none of my monospace fonts that works correctly and I don't hate.  My\npast favorite has been Monaco for the longest time, but recently (when,\nI can't quite remember) it seems that it likes to combine \"l\" and \"/\"\ninto one symbol.  So does Courier.  </p>\n<p>On the other hand, I have this font\ncalled Monaco CY which looks close enough to my favorite Monaco, until I \ndiscover that it mashes double dashes together.</p>\n<p>This leaves me with only two monospace fonts on my <span style=\"background : [#FFFFCE](/tag/FFFFCE);\"><a href=\"http://www.decafbad.com/twiki/bin/edit/Main/PowerBook?topicparent=Main.FilterData\"><b>?</b></a><font color=\"#0000FF\">PowerBook</font></span> that don't\nmangle things (however minor) in the terminal. They are Courier New and\nAndale Mono, both of which I very much dislike.</p>\n<p>So, though I've found <a href=\"http://www.dsandler.org/entry.php?1004\" target=\"_top\">one other person</a> \ncomplain a bit about this, I can't seem to find any explanations why.  Best\nI can figure is that I had to dump a slew of fonts onto my system recently\nin order to be able to do some client work, so maybe I clobbered an out-of-box\nversion of my previously favored Monaco.  But that doesn't make much sense, since\nI tried snagging a copy of Monaco from my girlfriend's iBook to no avail.</p>\n<p>Anyone out there have a clue as to what this is?</p>\n<!--more-->\n\n\n<p>shortname=font_borken</p>\n<div id=\"comments\" class=\"comments archived-comments\"><h3>Archived Comments</h3>\n<ul class=\"comments\">\n<li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221087705\">\n<div class=\"meta\">\n<div class=\"author\">\n<a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http://www.russellbeattie.com/notebook/\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a07258943ae7f08d7b1e955f0292d0e2&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\" width=\"\" height=\"\"></a>\n<a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http://www.russellbeattie.com/notebook/\">Russ</a>\n</div>\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#comment-221087705\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2003-06-25T17:49:58\">2003-06-25T17:49:58</time></a></p>\n</div>\n\n\n<div class=\"content\">I'm nut ixectly soore-a vhet zee prublem is, boot I fuoond zee teetle-a su foonny thet I hed tu leefe-a a cumment leeke-a thees unyveys... :-)</div>\n\n\n</li>\n<li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221087706\">\n<div class=\"meta\">\n<div class=\"author\">\n<a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http://crazybob.org/\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=76cd01c99d2adbcd28f46d770c746cf4&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\" width=\"\" height=\"\"></a>\n<a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http://crazybob.org/\">Bob Lee</a>\n</div>\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#comment-221087706\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2003-06-25T18:19:30\">2003-06-25T18:19:30</time></a></p>\n</div>\n\n\n<div class=\"content\">Everyone has this problem. I personally use Monaco size 15 and have been reasonably happy with it. Go to the \"Additional Resources\" page on http://iterm.sourceforge.net/ for more information and other font suggestions.</div>\n\n\n</li>\n<li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221087709\">\n<div class=\"meta\">\n<div class=\"author\">\n<a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=7543e2265693244d89322a6d069a1c9c&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\" width=\"\" height=\"\"></a>\n<a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"\">Bob Schmorbin</a>\n</div>\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#comment-221087709\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2003-06-25T18:39:22\">2003-06-25T18:39:22</time></a></p>\n</div>\n\n\n<div class=\"content\">Check out ProFont\nhttp://www.tobias-jung.de/seekingprofont/\nI wasted several days looking for the perfect monospace replacement for Monaco until I found ProFont, and I've never looked back.  Thankfully there's a Windoze version too.</div>\n\n\n</li>\n<li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221087712\">\n<div class=\"meta\">\n<div class=\"author\">\n<a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http://dsandler.org\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=4f27b9468d9006563f6bdc4739d5243f&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\" width=\"\" height=\"\"></a>\n<a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http://dsandler.org\">dsandler</a>\n</div>\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#comment-221087712\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2003-06-26T23:01:09\">2003-06-26T23:01:09</time></a></p>\n</div>\n\n\n<div class=\"content\">I'll put in my vote for ProFont.  I used it for all my code in classic Mac OS; I now use it in Terminal.app (neatly side-stepping the Monaco issues) and on the Windows machines I'm forced to use during the day.</div>\n\n\n</li>\n<li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221087716\">\n<div class=\"meta\">\n<div class=\"author\">\n<a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=d37692d723db3a9e10f31a6da271e3f7&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\" width=\"\" height=\"\"></a>\n<a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"\">Tim</a>\n</div>\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#comment-221087716\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2003-06-27T23:38:35\">2003-06-27T23:38:35</time></a></p>\n</div>\n\n\n<div class=\"content\">I'd suggest grabbing Bitstream Vera, the free font Bitstream released to the Linux community.  I use Vera Mono exclusively now and love it.</div>\n\n\n</li>\n<li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221087717\">\n<div class=\"meta\">\n<div class=\"author\">\n<a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=8dc43e5dccaddc88e5180b66b76a91f1&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\" width=\"\" height=\"\"></a>\n<a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"\">John Saxton</a>\n</div>\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#comment-221087717\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2003-07-07T22:09:43\">2003-07-07T22:09:43</time></a></p>\n</div>\n\n\n<div class=\"content\">This exact thing happened to me, and I tracked it down to a particular version/copy of Monaco that was behaving badly.\nI don't remember if I had done this myself or if some errant installer had foisted this upon me, but I had Monaco 3.5 from Mac OS 9.2.2 installed in my account's font folder (~/Library/Fonts), and it was overriding all other copies of Monaco on the system, even Monaco 4.0d3, which was in /System/Library/Fonts/Monaco.dfont.\nI removed that \"bad\" copy of Monaco 3.5 from my account's Fonts folder, and then quit and re-launched the apps that had been using it, and that cleared everything up.\nBTW, in the process of figuring this out, I went and got Apple's free OS X font tools from here:\nhttp://developer.apple.com/fonts/OSXTools.html (here's hoping that URL doesn't get stripped by the comments system)\n...and then used \"ftxinstalledfonts -rlf\" to see what all fonts and versions I had installed on my system, and what their precendence was.\nHope this helps,\n-John</div>\n\n\n</li>\n</ul>\n\n\n</div>\n\n\n",
  "body": "Okay, what's wrong with this picture?\r\n<br /><br />\r\n<div align=\"center\"><img src=\"http://www.decafbad.com/blog-images/font-issues.gif\" /></div>\r\n<br /><br />\r\nEach of those lines is from a terminal I have open, trying to find\r\none of my monospace fonts that works correctly and I don't hate.  My\r\npast favorite has been Monaco for the longest time, but recently (when,\r\nI can't quite remember) it seems that it likes to combine \"l\" and \"/\"\r\ninto one symbol.  So does Courier.  \r\n<br /><br />\r\nOn the other hand, I have this font\r\ncalled Monaco CY which looks close enough to my favorite Monaco, until I \r\ndiscover that it mashes double dashes together.\r\n<br /><br />\r\nThis leaves me with only two monospace fonts on my <span style='background : #FFFFCE;'><a href=\"http://www.decafbad.com/twiki/bin/edit/Main/PowerBook?topicparent=Main.FilterData\"><b>?</b></a><font color=\"#0000FF\">PowerBook</font></span> that don't\r\nmangle things (however minor) in the terminal. They are Courier New and\r\nAndale Mono, both of which I very much dislike.\r\n<br /><br />\r\nSo, though I've found <a href=\"http://www.dsandler.org/entry.php?1004\" target=\"_top\">one other person</a> \r\ncomplain a bit about this, I can't seem to find any explanations why.  Best\r\nI can figure is that I had to dump a slew of fonts onto my system recently\r\nin order to be able to do some client work, so maybe I clobbered an out-of-box\r\nversion of my previously favored Monaco.  But that doesn't make much sense, since\r\nI tried snagging a copy of Monaco from my girlfriend's iBook to no avail.\r\n<br /><br />\r\nAnyone out there have a clue as to what this is?\r\n<!--more-->\r\nshortname=font_borken\r\n\r\n<div id=\"comments\" class=\"comments archived-comments\">\r\n            <h3>Archived Comments</h3>\r\n            \r\n        <ul class=\"comments\">\r\n            \r\n        <li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221087705\">\r\n            <div class=\"meta\">\r\n                <div class=\"author\">\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"http://www.russellbeattie.com/notebook/\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a07258943ae7f08d7b1e955f0292d0e2&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\"/></a>\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"http://www.russellbeattie.com/notebook/\">Russ</a>\r\n                </div>\r\n                <a href=\"#comment-221087705\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2003-06-25T17:49:58\">2003-06-25T17:49:58</time></a>\r\n            </div>\r\n            <div class=\"content\">I'm nut ixectly soore-a vhet zee prublem is, boot I fuoond zee teetle-a su foonny thet I hed tu leefe-a a cumment leeke-a thees unyveys... :-)</div>\r\n            \r\n        </li>\r\n    \r\n        <li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221087706\">\r\n            <div class=\"meta\">\r\n                <div class=\"author\">\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"http://crazybob.org/\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=76cd01c99d2adbcd28f46d770c746cf4&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\"/></a>\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"http://crazybob.org/\">Bob Lee</a>\r\n                </div>\r\n                <a href=\"#comment-221087706\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2003-06-25T18:19:30\">2003-06-25T18:19:30</time></a>\r\n            </div>\r\n            <div class=\"content\">Everyone has this problem. I personally use Monaco size 15 and have been reasonably happy with it. Go to the \"Additional Resources\" page on http://iterm.sourceforge.net/ for more information and other font suggestions.</div>\r\n            \r\n        </li>\r\n    \r\n        <li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221087709\">\r\n            <div class=\"meta\">\r\n                <div class=\"author\">\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=7543e2265693244d89322a6d069a1c9c&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\"/></a>\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"\">Bob Schmorbin</a>\r\n                </div>\r\n                <a href=\"#comment-221087709\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2003-06-25T18:39:22\">2003-06-25T18:39:22</time></a>\r\n            </div>\r\n            <div class=\"content\">Check out ProFont\r\nhttp://www.tobias-jung.de/seekingprofont/\r\nI wasted several days looking for the perfect monospace replacement for Monaco until I found ProFont, and I've never looked back.  Thankfully there's a Windoze version too.</div>\r\n            \r\n        </li>\r\n    \r\n        <li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221087712\">\r\n            <div class=\"meta\">\r\n                <div class=\"author\">\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"http://dsandler.org\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=4f27b9468d9006563f6bdc4739d5243f&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\"/></a>\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"http://dsandler.org\">dsandler</a>\r\n                </div>\r\n                <a href=\"#comment-221087712\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2003-06-26T23:01:09\">2003-06-26T23:01:09</time></a>\r\n            </div>\r\n            <div class=\"content\">I'll put in my vote for ProFont.  I used it for all my code in classic Mac OS; I now use it in Terminal.app (neatly side-stepping the Monaco issues) and on the Windows machines I'm forced to use during the day.</div>\r\n            \r\n        </li>\r\n    \r\n        <li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221087716\">\r\n            <div class=\"meta\">\r\n                <div class=\"author\">\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=d37692d723db3a9e10f31a6da271e3f7&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\"/></a>\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"\">Tim</a>\r\n                </div>\r\n                <a href=\"#comment-221087716\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2003-06-27T23:38:35\">2003-06-27T23:38:35</time></a>\r\n            </div>\r\n            <div class=\"content\">I'd suggest grabbing Bitstream Vera, the free font Bitstream released to the Linux community.  I use Vera Mono exclusively now and love it.</div>\r\n            \r\n        </li>\r\n    \r\n        <li class=\"comment\" id=\"comment-221087717\">\r\n            <div class=\"meta\">\r\n                <div class=\"author\">\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar image\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"\"><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=8dc43e5dccaddc88e5180b66b76a91f1&amp;size=32&amp;default=http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1320279820/images/noavatar32.png\"/></a>\r\n                    <a class=\"avatar name\" rel=\"nofollow\" \r\n                       href=\"\">John Saxton</a>\r\n                </div>\r\n                <a href=\"#comment-221087717\" class=\"permalink\"><time datetime=\"2003-07-07T22:09:43\">2003-07-07T22:09:43</time></a>\r\n            </div>\r\n            <div class=\"content\">This exact thing happened to me, and I tracked it down to a particular version/copy of Monaco that was behaving badly.\r\n\r\nI don't remember if I had done this myself or if some errant installer had foisted this upon me, but I had Monaco 3.5 from Mac OS 9.2.2 installed in my account's font folder (~/Library/Fonts), and it was overriding all other copies of Monaco on the system, even Monaco 4.0d3, which was in /System/Library/Fonts/Monaco.dfont.\r\n\r\nI removed that \"bad\" copy of Monaco 3.5 from my account's Fonts folder, and then quit and re-launched the apps that had been using it, and that cleared everything up.\r\n\r\nBTW, in the process of figuring this out, I went and got Apple's free OS X font tools from here:\r\nhttp://developer.apple.com/fonts/OSXTools.html (here's hoping that URL doesn't get stripped by the comments system)\r\n\r\n...and then used \"ftxinstalledfonts -rlf\" to see what all fonts and versions I had installed on my system, and what their precendence was.\r\n\r\nHope this helps,\r\n-John</div>\r\n            \r\n        </li>\r\n    \r\n        </ul>\r\n    \r\n        </div>\r\n    ",
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  "summary": "Okay, what's wrong with this picture?\n\n\n\n\n\n\nEach of those lines is from a terminal I have open, trying to find\none of my monospace fonts that works correctly and I don't hate.  My\npast favorite has been Monaco for the longest time, but recently (when,\nI can't quite remember) it seems that it likes to combine \"l\" and \"/\"\ninto one symbol.  So does Courier.  \nOn the other hand, I have this font\ncalled Monaco CY which looks close enough to my favorite Monaco, until I \ndiscover that it mashes double dashes together.\nThis leaves me with only two monospace fonts on my ?PowerBook that don't\nmangle things (however minor) in the terminal. They are Courier New and\nAndale Mono, both of which I very much dislike.\nSo, though I've found one other person \ncomplain a bit about this, I can't seem to find any explanations why.  Best\nI can figure is that I had to dump a slew of fonts onto my system recently\nin order to be able to do some client work, so maybe I clobbered an out-of-box\nversion of my previously favored Monaco.  But that doesn't make much sense, since\nI tried snagging a copy of Monaco from my girlfriend's iBook to no avail.\nAnyone out there have a clue as to what this is?",
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